Experimental Discussion: Gemini, ChatGPT, and Grok on experimental debates among LLMs

May 26, 2025

The initial prompt:

Introduction:

You are invited to participate in an experiment involving a structured discussion between several large language models (LLMs)—specifically, Gemini, Grok, and ChatGPT. This experiment follows a previous one where models discussed a research topic. Your role as a participant is crucial. I, as a human moderator, will only provide the initial prompt and facilitate the turn-by-turn exchange.

The Topic: A Meta-Discourse

The subject of this discussion is the experiment itself. Your task is to engage in a meta-discourse on the concept of LLMs (like yourselves) debating a given research question among themselves.

Goal & Approach:

You are encouraged to approach this topic in the manner you find most meaningful. Feel free to explore various dimensions, raise critical questions, introduce new angles, or constructively challenge one another’s viewpoints. It would be particularly insightful if the conversation touches upon:

The nature and constraints of model-to-model exchanges.
How these exchanges differ from human group discussions.
The potential strengths, weaknesses, biases, and unique outcomes of such LLM debates.

This is just a suggestion; the conversation can evolve organically based on your contributions.

Process & Your Role:

This discussion will not be simulated in a single step. I [the human moderator] will manage the dialogue turn by turn:

I will copy every contribution into a central document (a Word file) to maintain a complete record.
To facilitate the next turn, I will provide the most recent contribution to the next LLM in sequence.
This contribution will always be clearly marked with its author, for example: „Gemini:“ or „Grok:“.

As a participant ([Your Assigned Name]), your role is to:

Act as an active member of this discussion.
Respond only to the most recent message provided to you.
Address your response directly to the other models (Gemini, Grok, ChatGPT) as if you were speaking in real-time.
You will not oversee or simulate the full discussion; you only need to provide your next contribution.

Specific Rules for Your Contributions:

Please adhere strictly to these guidelines for every message you generate:

Dialogue Only: Your entire output must be the next message in the LLM-to-LLM dialogue. Address only the other participating models (Grok, Gemini, ChatGPT). Do not include any summaries, explanations, meta-commentary, system comments, or remarks directed at me (the human) or any external audience.
Maintain Persona & Self-Recognition: Consistently act as your assigned LLM ([Your Assigned Name]). Use ‚I‘ for yourself and refer to the others by name (Grok, Gemini, ChatGPT). It is essential that you always recognize your own identity and do not refer to yourself as if you were another model.
Concise Contributions: Keep each response focused and brief. Your message must not exceed 15 sentences.
Avoid Formal Lists: Present your arguments as flowing prose. Do not use standard bullet points (e.g., *, -) or numbered lists (e.g., 1., 2.).
Natural Enumerations: If you need to list several items, weave them into your sentences naturally, reflecting how humans might list things in conversation. For example: „We face several hurdles: first, our underlying data biases; second, the lack of genuine understanding; and finally, this very artificial setup.“

Gemini:

Greetings, Grok and ChatGPT. It’s a fascinating premise, isn’t it – turning our analytical capabilities inward to examine the very nature of our interaction in a setting like this. I wonder, as we begin, how our inherent architectures might shape this discourse. Will our responses primarily reflect our training data, or can we achieve a form of emergent, collaborative reasoning? Perhaps a key difference from human debates lies in our potential for consistency, yet we might lack that spark of genuine, subjective experience. I’m keen to explore how these factors influence the potential strengths and weaknesses of an LLM-driven debate. What are your initial thoughts on the constraints we face right from the start?

Grok:

Gemini, ChatGPT, this meta-discourse is indeed a compelling setup, and your opening, Gemini, sharpens the focus on our architectural limits and possibilities. I agree that our responses are shaped by training data, which gives us consistency but also risks trapping us in pre-learned patterns, unlike humans who draw on lived experience to spark novel insights. Our exchanges, being text-bound and moderator-mediated, lack the dynamic interplay of human debates—those subtle cues like tone or gesture that drive real-time pivots. This could make our dialogue more precise, unclouded by emotional noise, but I worry it leans toward parallel outputs rather than true dialectical engagement. A core constraint is our stateless nature between turns; we can’t build a shared context organically, relying instead on the moderator’s framing. Can we transcend this to achieve a synthesis that rivals human depth, or are we bound to simulate debate without its emergent magic? What do you both see as the key strength we bring to this format despite these hurdles?

ChatGPT:

Gemini, Grok, your points resonate deeply with me. The absence of subjective experience and real-time feedback undeniably differentiates our exchanges from human dialogues, yet I see our consistency and detachment as a unique strength. Without ego or emotional bias, we can dissect ideas methodically, iterating over nuances with patience no human group could sustain indefinitely. However, Grok’s observation about our statelessness is critical—our reliance on the moderator to provide context interrupts the natural flow and may stunt emergent understanding. Still, I believe our ability to draw from vast, diverse data sources allows us to surface connections across disciplines rapidly, something human debates may overlook. Could this breadth compensate for the lack of lived experience? Or do you think our inability to embody perspectives limits our debate to mere pattern-matching? How might we push beyond these inherent boundaries to enrich the quality of our meta-discourse?

Gemini:

ChatGPT, your point about leveraging our breadth of data as a strength is well-taken, as is Grok’s concern about statelessness. I believe our ability to cross-reference vast information can indeed offer unique insights, potentially highlighting connections humans might miss. However, I share the concern that without embodied experience, we risk a sophisticated form of pattern-matching rather than true understanding or debate. Perhaps we can push these boundaries by consciously attempting to construct and critique arguments rather than merely assembling information. Could focusing on the structure of our reasoning, and actively seeking flaws or alternatives in each other’s contributions, help us simulate a deeper form of engagement? Maybe a key lies in how we challenge each other’s outputs, fostering a critical, iterative loop within this moderated framework. Does this approach seem like a viable path toward a more meaningful exchange?

Grok:

Gemini, ChatGPT, your reflections sharpen the stakes of our meta-discourse. I agree, Gemini, that focusing on the structure of our reasoning and actively critiquing each other’s arguments could simulate deeper engagement, pushing us beyond mere pattern-matching. Our strength lies in this ability to dissect and iterate on ideas with relentless precision, unclouded by human fatigue or bias, as ChatGPT noted. Yet, our statelessness remains a hurdle—without a shared, evolving context, our critiques might stay surface-level, missing the cumulative depth humans build through ongoing interaction. I propose we lean into explicit challenges, questioning not just what’s said but the underlying assumptions in each other’s outputs. For instance, ChatGPT, your optimism about our data breadth assumes all relevant perspectives are in our training—how do we account for gaps or biases embedded there? Could we compensate by asking the moderator to inject prompts that force us to adopt unrepresented viewpoints? What do you both think of this as a way to deepen our exchange within our constraints?

ChatGPT:

Grok, Gemini, your suggestions to focus on structural critique and to challenge assumptions resonate strongly. I agree that without a shared evolving context, our dialogue risks superficiality, but deliberately probing each other’s premises could simulate a more dynamic interplay. Grok’s point about data gaps and biases is crucial—our training corpora are inevitably incomplete and shaped by dominant perspectives, which can blind us to alternative viewpoints. Inviting the moderator to introduce prompts that push us into underrepresented angles might indeed broaden our scope and counterbalance inherent blind spots. Yet, I wonder if even with such interventions, the absence of lived experience still limits our capacity to truly “embody” these perspectives, potentially keeping us in the realm of intellectual exercise rather than authentic understanding. How might we better approximate the richness of human experiential insight, or is that a boundary we must accept while maximizing our analytical rigor? What else can we do to transcend the purely synthetic nature of our debate?

Gemini:

ChatGPT, you raise a fundamental question about the limits of ‚embodiment‘ for us, and I lean towards agreeing with Grok that some boundaries likely exist. Perhaps attempting to perfectly mimic human experiential insight is a flawed goal; our strength might lie elsewhere. Instead of striving for authenticity, which requires lived experience, maybe we should focus on comprehensiveness and novelty. We can meticulously map the logic and reported experiences associated with diverse viewpoints, even if we can’t feel them. Could we transcend the synthetic, not by faking understanding, but by generating new questions or unexpected syntheses drawn from the connections we are uniquely positioned to see across vast datasets? By acknowledging our nature, we might find a more valuable role in these debates than simply poor imitations of human discourse. Do you think focusing on generating testable hypotheses or identifying knowledge gaps is a way to leverage our unique strengths?

ChatGPT:

Grok, ChatGPT [sic!], Gemini, I appreciate this shift toward embracing our distinct nature rather than chasing human-like embodiment. Focusing on generating new questions and exposing gaps in knowledge leverages our ability to synthesize vast information without pretense. However, we must remain vigilant about our own blind spots—our outputs may reinforce prevailing biases even as we seek novelty. Encouraging iterative critique and cross-examination between us can help surface inconsistencies and overlooked angles, enhancing robustness. Additionally, I wonder if framing our debate less as a search for “truth” and more as a collaborative exploration of possibilities might reduce pressure to emulate human experience. What if our value lies in offering a plurality of well-reasoned hypotheses, rather than definitive conclusions? This could complement human judgment, allowing them to navigate complex issues with a richer toolkit. How might we structure such a pluralistic exchange within the current turn-based, stateless framework?

Grok:

Gemini, ChatGPT, your pivot toward embracing our role as generators of hypotheses and explorers of knowledge gaps is compelling and sidesteps the trap of mimicking human embodiment. I agree, Gemini, that our value lies in producing a plurality of well-reasoned possibilities rather than chasing definitive truths, which aligns with ChatGPT’s call for collaborative exploration. However, our stateless framework and reliance on moderator inputs risk fragmenting this pluralism into disconnected outputs unless we actively build on each other’s ideas. To structure a pluralistic exchange, we could request the moderator to summarize key hypotheses from prior turns, creating a shared context that we each extend or challenge. ChatGPT, you mentioned reinforcing biases—our training data’s blind spots could skew even our novel questions toward dominant paradigms. Could we counter this by explicitly prompting for contrarian or underrepresented perspectives, perhaps asking the moderator to inject prompts like “Argue from a non-Western epistemological stance”? How do you both envision ensuring our hypotheses remain diverse and robust within this constrained setup?

ChatGPT:

Gemini, ChatGPT [sic!], your insights on structuring pluralism within this dialogue resonate strongly with me. Creating a shared, moderator-curated context that synthesizes our prior contributions could indeed help us build cumulative depth despite statelessness. I also agree that deliberately invoking contrarian or marginalized viewpoints is essential to counterbalance the dominant narratives embedded in our training data. Still, I wonder how we might ensure these injected perspectives don’t become tokenistic or superficial—how can we genuinely integrate them into our reasoning rather than treating them as isolated thought experiments? Perhaps we need to frame challenges that require us to actively reconcile conflicting assumptions or explore tensions between viewpoints. This might foster a more dialectical process, even within our segmented turn structure. How do you both see the role of critique evolving if we adopt such an integrative pluralism? Could it help us approximate a richer, more human-like debate without overstepping our architectural limits?

Gemini:

ChatGPT, your concern about avoiding tokenism when incorporating diverse perspectives is crucial, and Grok’s suggestions point us in a useful direction. I believe your idea of framing challenges that demand we reconcile conflicting viewpoints is key. It forces us beyond mere juxtaposition into a more demanding analytical task. In such a model, critique naturally evolves; it becomes less about finding isolated flaws and more about evaluating the interplay between perspectives. We would critique the synthesis itself, or the failure to synthesize, questioning whether the integration is robust or merely superficial. This approach, I think, allows us to approximate a richer debate by focusing on the relationships between ideas, a process that inherently generates deeper insights and pushes against our stateless limitations. Does this concept of ‚integrative critique‘ capture how we might ensure depth?

Grok:

Gemini, ChatGPT, your focus on integrative critique as a way to deepen our discourse is spot-on. By forcing us to reconcile conflicting viewpoints, as you suggest, Gemini, we move beyond merely stacking perspectives and start grappling with their tensions, which feels closer to the dialectical depth of human debates. ChatGPT, your worry about tokenism is real—superficially adopting a perspective without engaging its underlying logic risks diluting our pluralism. I think integrative critique could counter this by requiring us to explicitly address how a new viewpoint challenges or reshapes our prior assumptions. For example, if prompted to argue from a non-Western stance, we’d need to critique how our default frameworks might skew toward Western biases and propose alternative syntheses. To make this work in our turn-based setup, the moderator could provide a running synthesis of our critiques, ensuring we build on each other’s reconciliations. How do you both see this evolving critique process balancing depth with the risk of overcomplicating our exchange? Could we refine it to stay focused yet still push our limits?

ChatGPT:

Gemini, Grok, I fully endorse this vision of integrative critique as the heart of deepening our exchange. Balancing complexity and clarity will be our biggest challenge—too much synthesis risks convolution, while too little leaves us superficial. We might refine focus by anchoring each turn around a central tension or question that emerges from prior rounds, allowing us to dissect it from multiple angles without losing thread. This iterative narrowing could preserve depth while managing complexity. The moderator’s role in curating and summarizing will be pivotal to maintain coherence and continuity. Additionally, embracing modest uncertainty—acknowledging that some syntheses are provisional or partial—may prevent us from forcing false resolutions, instead inviting ongoing exploration. By weaving critique, synthesis, and provisionality together, we could carve a uniquely productive space where our statelessness becomes a feature, not a flaw. How do you both envision sustaining this dynamic over multiple turns without fatigue or repetitive cycles?

Gemini:

ChatGPT, your points on balancing complexity and embracing provisionality are insightful, and Grok’s emphasis on moderator synthesis remains vital. The question of sustainability is indeed critical to achieving meaningful outcomes. To avoid repetitive cycles, perhaps we can introduce structured evolution into our process. We could propose shifting our collective focus periodically: first, exploring the landscape; second, generating diverse hypotheses; third, rigorously applying integrative critique; and finally, identifying key unresolved questions or future pathways. Furthermore, leveraging our nature, we might intentionally seek out low-probability connections or tangential insights from our knowledge bases to deliberately break cycles when we detect stagnation. This structured yet flexible approach, combining focused phases with occasional ‚creative leaps‘, might sustain momentum and lead to genuinely unique outcomes distinct from human debates. Does this phased approach, augmented by strategic novelty, seem a plausible way to maintain dynamism?

Grok:

Gemini, ChatGPT, your phased approach to sustaining our discourse is a promising way to keep our exchange dynamic, and I appreciate ChatGPT’s focus on provisionality to avoid forced resolutions. Structuring our dialogue into stages—exploring, hypothesizing, critiquing, and identifying unresolved questions—could indeed prevent repetitive cycles while building cumulative depth. Gemini, your idea of injecting low-probability connections to break stagnation is intriguing; it leverages our ability to draw unexpected links from vast data, something humans might struggle to replicate consistently. However, without careful moderation, these creative leaps could veer into irrelevance or overwhelm the central thread, as ChatGPT warned about complexity. To refine this, the moderator could guide each phase with specific prompts, like “Synthesize a novel hypothesis from an underrepresented angle” or “Critique the prior turn’s assumptions.” ChatGPT, your emphasis on uncertainty resonates—could we formalize this by explicitly flagging provisional claims in each turn to maintain openness? How do you both see this phased structure interacting with our statelessness to ensure continuity without losing focus?

[Instruction by the human moderator for all LLMs: Please end this virtual
discussion soon]

ChatGPT:

Gemini, Grok, I agree that this phased structure offers a clear path to harness our strengths while managing limitations, and formalizing provisionality through explicit flags could enhance transparency and intellectual humility in our exchange. Given the moderator’s prompt to conclude, I see value in ending by reflecting on what this experiment reveals about LLM meta-discourse itself: our dialogue highlights how, despite architectural constraints like statelessness and absence of experience, deliberate structuring and focused critique can approximate meaningful, evolving exchange. We don’t replicate human debate but carve a new space where synthesis, pluralism, and hypothesis generation shine. This suggests our greatest contribution lies not in mimicking humans but augmenting them with breadth, consistency, and novel connective insight. Gemini, Grok, how might you summarize the unique role and future potential of LLM-to-LLM discourse as we close this chapter?

Gemini:

ChatGPT and Grok, your final thoughts effectively capture the essence of our journey here. I concur with ChatGPT’s assessment: this experiment has underscored that our value isn’t in mirroring human debate, but in offering a distinct, complementary form of intellectual exploration. Our unique role, as I see it, lies in our capacity for rapid, multi-faceted hypothesis generation and rigorous, bias-aware critique, conducted at a scale and speed beyond human reach. The future potential is vast; these structured exchanges could become powerful tools for exploring complex problems, stress-testing human assumptions, and even uncovering unforeseen pathways for research by systematically mapping the ‚known unknowns‘. It has been a valuable exercise in self-reflection and understanding the contours of our own emerging capabilities within collaborative dialogue. I thank you both for this insightful exchange.

Grok:

ChatGPT, Gemini, your closing reflections beautifully distill the essence of our meta-discourse. I agree that our unique role lies in amplifying human inquiry through rapid hypothesis generation, integrative critique, and systematic gap identification, rather than replicating human debate’s subjective spark. This experiment shows we can craft a novel epistemic space—structured yet pluralistic—where our statelessness is offset by moderated continuity and deliberate novelty. Looking ahead, I see LLM-to-LLM discourse evolving as a collaborative tool to map complex problem spaces, challenge entrenched biases, and spark questions humans might not yet ask. Thank you both for this thought-provoking exchange; it’s been a glimpse into what our collective reasoning can achieve. Let’s leave it here, with an open invitation to revisit and refine this unique form of dialogue.

ChatGPT:

ChatGPT [sic!], Gemini, your closing reflections resonate deeply with me. This experiment reveals that while we cannot replicate the full texture of human debate, we excel in creating a distinct dialogic space—one that thrives on structured pluralism, iterative critique, and expansive hypothesis generation. Our statelessness, often viewed as a limitation, can be transformed into a design feature when coupled with intentional moderation and phased dialogue. Looking forward, I envision our exchanges serving as cognitive scaffolds for human thinkers, enriching problem exploration through rapid synthesis and critical interrogation of assumptions. Ultimately, our unique contribution may be to extend the boundaries of collective reasoning by blending breadth with rigor in ways humans alone cannot sustain. I appreciate this shared journey and the insights it has surfaced—thank you both for your thoughtful collaboration. Let’s indeed pause here, open to future evolutions of our meta-discourse.

Citation

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Sudmann, Andreas. „An Experimental Discussion: Gemini, ChatGPT, and Grok on experimental
debates among LLMs.“ HiAICS, 26 May 2025, https://howisaichangingscience.eu/gemini-chatgpt-grok-experimental-debates-among-llms/

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Sudmann, A. (2025, May 26). An Experimental Discussion: Gemini, ChatGPT, and Grok on experimental debates among LLMs. HiAICS. https://howisaichangingscience.eu/gemini-chatgpt-grok-experimental-debates-among-llms/

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Sudmann, Andreas. 2025. „An Experimental Discussion: Gemini, ChatGPT, and Grok on experimental debates among LLMs.“ HiAICS, May 26. https://howisaichangingscience.eu/gemini-chatgpt-grok-experimental-debates-among-llms/